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AFT Board Meeting, Feb 27, 2021 - Shared screen with speaker view
Gilli Halaby
41:25
do we lose our seniority if we do not teach two or three consecutive semesters because of COVID
Aaron Silverman
42:20
no you do not. Seniority is based on both length of service and evaluation scores.
Gilli Halaby
43:30
should seniority in level one be based on how long an adjunct w
Aaron Silverman
44:25
pool membership is in part based on length of service
Cecillia Barron
44:43
Not sure if I can bring this up here but I'm wanting to know why classes given have been based on a DoC date instead of a DoH date? I don't think any other school does that and because of that I only teach 1 class a semester instead of 3.
Gilli Halaby
45:02
is in that level? should t quality supersede seniority in level 1?
Aaron Silverman
46:42
sections are distinguished between DOC and DOH based on modality. this was due to prior negotiated agreements.
Aaron Silverman
47:51
With regards to pools, pool membership is based on evaluation scores and length of service- it is not either/or
Dan Portillo
47:57
Aaron is correct, and, Cecilia, using the DOC list should apply only to fully online courses. Certain departments are deciding to rely more on one than the other, likely due to influence by full-timers who want to teach fully online.
Cecillia Barron
48:03
I understand that, but why would they have come to that agreement, it in all honestly does not make sense
Siane Holland
50:20
The emailing and office hour commitment has gone up significantly. I would say that I spend at least 15-20 hours per week on office hour time.
Dan Portillo
51:07
Siane, are you doing office hours beyond what you are required to do as a result?
Aaron Silverman
51:08
Hi Cecilia- The DOC/DOH list was the byproduct of 17 months of negotiations. It was the most effective outcome that could meet the demands of state law, seniority for adjuncts, and the interest of students.
SEBASTIAN CAZARES
51:15
My pleasure!!!
Siane Holland
51:25
Yes, absolutely Dan. This is a norm for me each semester.
Dan Portillo
52:15
And, Siane, it has gotten even more demanding in lockdown, right?
Siane Holland
53:04
However, the emailing time has gone up significantly due to the remote learning atmosphere. The simple reminders or simple questions that I could have addressed in person pre-pandemic has to be addressed via email now.
Dan Portillo
53:49
I see...thanks, Siane!
Laurisa Reyes
53:54
The prep time is significantly higher when teaching online. We were never paid for prep time anyway, but now I'm spending as much as 3-4 hours in prep time to every hour I'm teaching and getting paid for. This includes writing my lectures, recording them, uploading materials, updating materials for online access, etc. Also, I agree, I spend more time communicating with students outside of the normal class and office hours. I get texts and emails and phone calls throughout the day.
Siane Holland
53:57
Thank you Dan.
Siane Holland
54:46
Yes I field several texts as well Laurisa. I can relate to many of the additional tasks that you are facilitating.
Dan Portillo
54:49
Thank you, Siane, for that insight.
Siane Holland
57:28
Question: Has anyone researched whether our students are currently enrolling in 100 % online courses more than they are enrolling in the online live courses? It seems like many of the online live courses which are primarily offered to adjunct faculty experienced low enrollment/cancellation this semester.
Cecillia Barron
57:39
Aaron, I understand that teaching online is a completely different thing but how would it be in the best interest of the students to not have the most senior teachers teaching the class, online or not?
Siane Holland
58:31
Yes we care greatly for our students.
Dan Portillo
58:44
Siane, we put that question to Academic Affairs yesterday, and they said they would get back to us. We were surprised they did not already have that info, but they will definitely get it to us.
Siane Holland
59:08
Thank you Dan!
Dan Portillo
59:42
Sure thing!
Aaron Silverman
59:48
I researched oschedules
Aaron Silverman
01:02:29
I did research one department
Aaron Silverman
01:03:09
basically as the pandemic goes on Departments are moving to a 100% online schedule with minimal online live offerings
Aaron Silverman
01:03:37
this is anecdotally off one department but I think it can be generalized
Siane Holland
01:03:52
Thank you Aaron.
Aaron Silverman
01:04:24
it is pretty clear students are not interested in onlinelive courses as a replacement for onsite courses
Siane Holland
01:04:44
Also, would it be possible to have the Jason Hinkle email that Warren just referenced forwarded to all of us? I never received that email.
Dan Portillo
01:05:25
I can do that, Siane
Siane Holland
01:05:33
Thank you.
Sarah Burns
01:05:40
To Aaron:
Aaron Silverman
01:05:54
Hi Cecilia. Teaching online requires a different acumen than onsite teaching. The Dual pool system was created to reflect this, and seniority in one modality does not necessarily mean parallel seniority in another.
Sarah Burns
01:07:03
On the other hand, as someone who has been teaching 100% online since 2008 (along with the live courses), I can attest to the large audience of people who prefer 100% online. That is what is so frustrating about my two cancelled classes. I have taught them online, and they always fill up, for many years. My major issue is them cancelling adjunct classes 3 weeks before the semester begins.
Edith Soto
01:08:30
And sometimes the full time work is not that great
Aaron Silverman
01:09:05
Hi Sarah. I don’t disagree, and must concur with your recent experience. I think this reflects the inability for the District to run the usual a
Aaron Silverman
01:09:28
amount of sections as a 100% online district
Aaron Silverman
01:10:28
The first-week compensation clause in the contract has nothing to do with District course cancellation policy
Siane Holland
01:10:39
Online live courses involve more prepping time than 100 % online courses do as well. The office hour time is more involved with online live courses vs. 100 % online courses as well.
Cecillia Barron
01:13:37
Aaron, again, I understand teaching online is different, but a couple of things: 1) just because someone has the official certificate to teach online does not mean they are going to be competent in doing so 2) Some of us were already teaching online at other colleges and would've been more than capable of teaching an online class at COC, without this official certificate required here and 3) once faculty have been certified (which I have been since before the pandemic) this should supersede the DoC date.
Aaron Silverman
01:16:12
Again, DoH and DoC lists were negotiated with the best interest of adjuncts and students in mind. The District would not have agreed to anything that did not conform to their online instruction requirements.
Aaron Silverman
01:16:58
I agree that fully online teaching certification policies should be more liberal, and we have been advocating for the District to change them.
Aaron Silverman
01:17:49
DoH and DoH pools are segregated, and seniority in one pool has no effect on seniority in another.
Cecillia Barron
01:18:07
I give up.
Ruth Rassool
01:18:31
isn’t part of the issue based more in the building of sections than the FT overload? Full time faculty in the English department had to bump adjuncts from sections; it wasn’t that they were seeking overloads e
Ruth Rassool
01:19:36
if the sections are built “unimaginatively” the classes won’t run.
Aaron Silverman
01:20:06
Ruth, generally speaking I think the overall problem for adjuncts is the sheer decline of sections. it is manifested differently by department.
Duke
01:20:33
It depends on the department, our department has a full timer who is overloaded while adjuncts only were offered two courses or had courses canceled
Laurisa Reyes
01:21:37
I thought seniority was also about how many classes you teach.
Laurisa Reyes
01:22:25
So having a class cancelled can affect our seniority. Right
Siane Holland
01:23:50
Laurisa, you just raised a very concerning point. It never occurred to me that our annual seniority is impacted by the classes that are cancelled.
Ruth Rassool
01:24:38
Aaron, agreed, but that’s a problem for everyone. building the sections that students don’t need or want is the issue.
Ruth Rassool
01:27:20
in the English department meeting this week, only 3 instructors expressed an interest in returning to campus. can anyone speak to how the campus is being prepared for a mass return in terms of physical space, scheduling, healthcare etc.
Aaron Silverman
01:28:41
Pool membership is based on length of service and evaluation score. course cancellations have no effect on pool membership.
Aaron Silverman
01:29:07
see article 6 in the AFT contract for more information
Aaron Silverman
01:30:28
Ruth, we did address return to campus progress with the District yesterday. Fall 2020 is still unclear as to how many courses will return to campus.
Aaron Silverman
01:32:46
This will also have density of class attendance and building entry/exit procedures in mind.
Ruth Rassool
01:45:40
thank you all.
Sarah Burns
01:45:56
Bye Ruth.
Kathleen Hitt
01:48:13
Thank you everyone.
Jennifer Godzsak (she, her)
01:48:19
So we're looking at mid-March-ish for a decision on the PERB?
Laurisa Reyes
01:52:03
Any consideration of a strike?
Duke
01:53:44
Great questions!!
Aaron Silverman
01:54:37
Hi Larissa. What is so frustrating is what AFT agreed to in October averted a legal strike process. The current complaint haw no relevance to a legal strike
Aaron Silverman
01:55:16
it would just be imposed at the end of the legal process
Aaron Silverman
01:55:26
has*
Jennifer Godzsak (she, her)
01:56:17
Is mid-March the time we expect a decision on the PERB complaint?
Aaron Silverman
01:58:08
No, sometime after
Jennifer Godzsak (she, her)
01:58:58
@Aaron, April?
Sarah Burns
02:00:19
Thanks to everyone for participating, and especially to the AFT Board who works so hard on behalf of all of us!
Jennifer Godzsak (she, her)
02:01:52
Thank you, Erin. Thank you, Warren.
Laurisa Reyes
02:01:56
So they've been mailed?
Aaron Silverman
02:02:41
Hi Jennifer- we don’t have an exact timeframe, but within the current semester.
Jennifer Godzsak (she, her)
02:02:45
According to Roy's email, any not picked up yesterday, should have gone in the mail.
Siane Holland
02:04:03
Thank you everyone.
Kathleen Hitt
02:04:04
Thank you!! Yes, very informative!
Laurisa Reyes
02:04:10
Thanks Dan!
Ingrid Barbullushi
02:04:12
Thank you everyone
Laurisa Reyes
02:04:25
Thanks to the whole team.
SEBASTIAN CAZARES
02:05:08
Thank you all for this information and everything you do for our students!
Dan Portillo
02:05:38
Thank you for coming and for your support, Sebastian!
Anupama Chandran
02:14:34
Thank you all. Have a great rest of the weekend:-) Bye
Dan Portillo
02:14:46
Thank you, Anupama!
Carlos Pinho
02:43:39
“in the spirit of cooperation and unity”
Carlos Pinho
02:45:42
perhaps after we win we request that person responsible in business business
Carlos Pinho
02:46:12
services step down or get fired !
Carlos Pinho
02:46:45
like the governor needs to be recalledp